Mocktails Or Messy
Mocktails Or Messy
#40 Why You Should Think Twice Before Starting a Business with Friends + MUKBANG
Ever wondered how to enjoy a social gathering without the dreaded hangover? Join us as we mix things up with Kelly, aka Mocktail Messy, Miss Mizgorski, and Ryan Frankowski (Frank-Kov-Ski) for a journey into the vibrant world of mindful drinking. Together, we sip on Amethyst, a tantalizing liquor alternative featuring lemon, cucumber, and serrano, guaranteed to tickle your palate. With a dash of humor and candid storytelling, we also flirt with the idea of a Mukbang segment that promises to be as entertaining as it is delicious. This episode serves up refreshing insights into experiencing the joys of life without alcohol's side effects and the unexpected fun that comes with it.
But that's not all! We navigate the tightrope of friendship and business, unpacking the complex dynamics when personal bonds intertwine with professional pursuits. The strain of schedules, time management, and financial disagreements can test even the strongest of friendships. Yet, through it all, open communication and mutual respect emerge as the unsung heroes. We share lessons learned from our own experiences, emphasizing how to maintain friendships that feel like family while handling the inevitable bumps in the road with grace. So grab your favorite mocktail and join us as we explore the balancing act of personal and professional wellness. Cheers to cherishing friendships and mastering those tough conversations!
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Welcome to Mocktails are Messy. This is Kelly.
Speaker 2:Musgorski and Ryan Frankofsky. Welcome guys, we are looking at a what, what?
Speaker 1:What do we like to talk about?
Speaker 2:We like to talk about debauchery, train wrecks in our messy past and how we are learning. We are mindful drinking today with Kelly the Mocktail Messy. Or wait with Kelly today yeah, I the Mocktail Messy. Or wait with Kelly today yeah, I'm a Mocktail.
Speaker 1:Messy oh my God, yes, you are a Mocktail. Messy I'm a.
Speaker 2:Mocktail, you're a Mocktail Messy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2:Today we are doing Mocktail Messy's because I have the amethyst. We got some samples sent to us from our girl Jane at Amethyst. Hey, jane, jane at Amethyst. It sounds so good, open it up, I want to smell it, I want to pop it open, the Nutrition Vax. You know I'm always curious about that 1.5 fluid ounce which is a shot of liquor. It's a liquor alternative. It's kind of like a vodka. It's 13 calories, it's got zero sugar that's key and 5 grams.
Speaker 1:What gives the effect?
Speaker 2:It's water, natural extracts, vegetable glycine, soy, citric acid, preservative, sodium, bisondrate, potassium sorbate. I mean, that doesn't sound great.
Speaker 1:Let's smell it. No, it doesn't. So this is a oh, my god Is it good. I just want to guzzle this bottle.
Speaker 2:I know, I know that smells so good. Oh my god, Ooh yeah, lemon, serrano, cucumber. You know when you want to drink like a perfume.
Speaker 1:I totally want to spray that all over my body.
Speaker 2:I know I want to kind of soak in it. That smells so good.
Speaker 1:And you know how you want to kind of taste it. But you know it's a perfume and you shouldn't we can taste this and I'm so excited.
Speaker 2:I know, and they encourage you to taste it.
Speaker 1:I just can't believe how good it smells, I guess.
Speaker 2:I know I love lemon and I love cucumber.
Speaker 1:I guess I'm used to smelling a bottle of vodka and wanting to puke from the smell. Yes, you never of like liquor. I don't even like the taste. We have some fun things going on. Today, we did get a text message that somebody like dared us to do a muck bang, so we're going to go for that like. Towards the end, we're going to do a muck bang for y'all A muck bang.
Speaker 2:Not sure how I feel about it. Do you know what a muck bang is? Can you describe a mukbang?
Speaker 1:I'm gonna go over it later. I'm I mean, I don't know how I feel about it. How do you? Yeah, we'll go over that later, but, um, we've had a lot of questions. Why did we miss a week filming?
Speaker 2:that was a little difficult for us yeah, I think um.
Speaker 1:You know, two weeks ago we had some shit happen basically between you and I.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I definitely wasn't ready to talk about it last week.
Speaker 2:Me either.
Speaker 1:So I think we're ready now to open up.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Is it good?
Speaker 2:Yes, you got to try your mocktail you are implementing. Oh shit, that was a lot. Okay, you were implementing the mocktail.
Speaker 1:Cheers darling, let me try this. I love you. I actually can't wait to try this. I love you too, holy shit.
Speaker 2:That is good, that is so good. You know, we had amethyst with jackie and this is an even better one lemon cucumber.
Speaker 1:what the fudge serrano this is so good see you can't even notice that this is a fucking, a faux drink the only thing is is it doesn't make me want to like, like puke because, it actually tastes good I know, um and not like you don't want to just guzzle, you want to sip on it yeah, just like an alcoholic drink, you don't want to guzzle it, and I think that's what they have going on here.
Speaker 2:It's the same vibe, yeah, yeah, same vibe, kind of similar palette you got going dude, I swear.
Speaker 1:Our samples keep getting better and better that are sent to us and this is something that they're big on.
Speaker 2:They have the mission statement is wellness inclusion, which is us yeah, mocktails or messy and balance yeah so like having that balance inclusion of, like you know, navigating the new happy hour with the mocks right?
Speaker 1:oh, my god love it. Okay, so let's just get right into it. I kind of had a lot of time to think about this I know you have to, so I have a list of things to talk about when it comes to like why you shouldn't get into a business partner relationship with your best friend. Are you comfortable talking about this today?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know this is actually really hard for us guys.
Speaker 2:It was just weird, because I don't think I was like blindsided or that, like sensitive until this happened Same. Okay, sensitive until this happened Same.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you know I've become friends with like coworkers before, but I've never became coworkers with a friend before.
Speaker 2:That's it. Can you say the same? I should say one time Did you Before you? Yeah Was it okay. You know what? Okay, you know what. You just let things go on. So much because I got the job, because they essentially got me in the door, so they, unfortunately, were acting up or not performing yeah and I just couldn't do anything. So it did. It didn't end the friendship, but it was a bad work environment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I would say like it was always a good work environment for me with my coworkers that I did become friends with. Cause like we could switch on the friendship after hours and it was funny. I'd be like excited to hang out with them outside of work, cause we could like be ourselves Right. But then at work it's's like we're serious, but then it's just so much different, seriously, when you're friends with someone first, and not only are we coworkers, we're business owners together.
Speaker 2:Now, yes, we take it a little bit more serious, because our reputation is on the line. Performance is on the line If we don't stay consistent and evolve.
Speaker 1:We have to hold each other accountable. Yeah, if we don't stay consistent and involve. Yeah. So what I do want to say is we have we've been friends for over 20 years.
Speaker 2:Which is crazy to say, because that's the like that is dating us. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So the first. I have like five things I just want to touch on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you're open and I want to know your opinion. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'm sorry that, like I feel weird, like this is the first time you're hearing my afterthoughts, I guess.
Speaker 2:Well, I think I wanted to keep it raw because you asked me. You were like, are you comfortable just keeping it?
Speaker 1:like for when we film or when we record.
Speaker 2:And I was like I think it's better and you know whatever I mean at the end of the day, like we are in these positions because we want to be public.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're comfortable being public. We want to meet more people. We want to have more friends.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we want to be there for other people and not only just be friends but like just kind of help others and also be open to like Just being like an example, leading by example, or giving people some kind of, you know, feed for thought If I fuck up, I hope I can help you.
Speaker 1:Yes, exactly Basically Because we fucked up a lot. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:We fucked up time and time again, and it's still not over.
Speaker 1:So keep following along, guys, okay.
Speaker 2:Number one is blurred boundaries.
Speaker 1:So like mixing friendship with business can lead to like blurry lines right, and it's hard to switch from like hey, let's go get coffee to we need to talk about revenue like that is so drastic right it's not easy because, like I think, if you had somebody that you were working with like a coworker, that you became friends, that would be something that would already be in conversation normally.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, yes, nail on the head. Okay, number two, it's the emotional turbulence. Right, we've always been there for each other emotionally. That's, I know how to do that for you and you know how to do that for me, right? But when you mix business in, it gets a little different. So when like business issues arise, which they will right.
Speaker 2:Business hiccups or business like problems that need to be, like you know, solution or you know finding out, like where to work out the kinks, like ironing out the details, like you know, just streamlining our processes.
Speaker 1:Exactly so that that can strain the friendship. Yeah, immensely, unfortunately, and this was proven to true, like two, three weeks ago, a couple weeks ago, and I think the risk of turning um into business like adversaries instead of a lifelong friendship is real, and so I think you have to say do you want to take that risk with your friend?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean as much as it's all fun and games as a podcaster and being able to just kind of like I think you have to have that balance of one person is is really right brained and one person is really left brain we don't, I would.
Speaker 1:I would say that, like that balance would probably be better. We don't have that balance.
Speaker 2:We are both like right, right brained, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it kind of like we don't have that like left brain person here to help us, I know, and so we kind of. I mean, in some ways I have to be the left-brained because I'm more tech savvy.
Speaker 1:You are yes.
Speaker 2:But only because of what I went to school for.
Speaker 1:So it wasn't a natural thing. It's not natural for you. Yeah, it's not natural. Again, we're both right-brained. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:We might try, we might try, but oh, but you even know how to edit and honestly, I think you can be a better editor, but I have more experience.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing If somebody was hiring two employees for this position and they definitely it would have been one or the other it would not have been both right. Like am I right.
Speaker 2:Yes, like, explain that a little bit more like direct Like for this specific position as a podcaster, you really at the beginning have to do the whole thing on your own because of the fact that it is a startup. Yeah fact that it is a startup. Yeah, you have to just like be able to dedicate, like all your resources and time to the editing, to the producing, to the showing up, to the preparing, to the, to the spending the money there's a lot more that goes into this than anyone would ever know.
Speaker 1:It looks like it's all fun and games, but it's it's not a fucking shit.
Speaker 2:Ton of work, right it is, and we love every like every moment I get to spend time with you on a personal level is a treat, Even on a business level. I love every moment that we do it.
Speaker 1:But I'll say, as friends, when the fuck was the last time we spent time together Because we're so busy on the business level, and then you have your full-time job, I mine, yeah, I have my life, you have your life. It's like there's actually like exhausting, it's exhausting and we sound like first world problems here.
Speaker 2:I'm just thinking like, as you learn and you live and you do it, you're like, okay, what can I do better? Right, because we used to just let it all unfold. Now we are so time organized and blocked out and scheduled, but it's still never perfect.
Speaker 1:Never, never, Okay. So friendship fallout is number four. So if the business fails, it could damage your friendship too. Ending a business partnership is really hard. You don't want to lose your friend too, and not only are you losing your friend, you could be losing money that you're investing.
Speaker 2:Uh-huh yeah.
Speaker 1:What do you think of that one?
Speaker 2:Well, I know for a fact that at the beginning it was definitely more split on the cost yes and I do appreciate every thing that you contribute.
Speaker 2:I think it got to a place in the road where I had a conversation with you about like hey, like right now, like funds are completely stopped until, like commissions are brought in and you know, commercials are paid and there's no excuse on my behalf. I could figure it out on some way or another. I think it's just like learning how to like really pick up the pieces and not take advantage of your generosity as an investor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that there was communication about that, but then, as like time goes on, it's like come on, like yeah there's never been a deadline there was. That's right, and I think maybe like like we were talking about, like the left brain person would have put a deadline yes, there would have been a deadline on it. Yeah, and then number five, that the last thing I want to touch on is like just scary conversations, like difficult conversations about money, even performance, um are part of running a business so like discrepancies in like content, yeah, and editing yeah so and be like, hey, did you do this, did you do that?
Speaker 1:like hey, I need you to do this, I'm gonna do that, and then following up, and you didn't do it, and it's like, or I didn't do it. You know, and it's like having those talks with your best friend is a terrible feeling because you, I, I think of him as a friend first, honestly, most, most of the time, like I can't help it.
Speaker 2:He's been my friend for over 20 years and then you know, I look at you and I think of you as not just a friend, like a sister From West.
Speaker 1:Virginia.
Speaker 2:We always say that I love it Cheers, cheers, cheers To have difficult conversations.
Speaker 1:To have difficult conversations. Oh, I spilled on the new chairs. Cocktails are messy.
Speaker 2:That was stinky, sticky, oh yeah Sounds stinky oh yeah, yeah, I sometimes say it and I don't mean it, but anyways.
Speaker 1:that is why, Guys, we do not recommend starting a business with your best friend.
Speaker 2:No, I mean yes and no. I said 50-50. It's a 50-50 shot and you know I went in like to the deep end with you and you went into the deep end with me and we definitely wow, like there's a lot of like outside noise that can affect it too, you get a lot of feedback even from other friends and family from both sides and you don't even ask and a lot of times you don't even ask for it.
Speaker 1:Well, that's the problem. We're putting ourselves out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So then we get unsolicited thoughts, comments, advice, right. So also think twice before you're putting yourself out there. I guess it's not for the weak of heart guys. It's uh.
Speaker 2:This is episode 34, I believe oh no, I think it's 39 or 38 oh my god, I'm like I can't get it together guys.
Speaker 1:But we should know that I mean, this is episode blah, blah blah this is episode. I can't even you want me to look it up, it's fine and it's, it's been a journey, guys, but um, anyways, uh, let's go into more fun things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we want it to be oppie, but at the end of the resolution the solution is to just cope and have open communication. We anytime a relationship has like a riff or a hiccup, it's, there's a level of discommunication there right it all comes down to that one thing so your shirt, kind of is.
Speaker 1:It says get a man who will chase after you. I love it. And guess what? October is the start of cuffing season oh, cuffing it up I had to look this up actually, so cuffing season you didn't know what this was. No, I've been married for 11 years oh, cuffing season is the time of year when single people single people look for short-term romantic partners to spend the colder months with. Are you cuffed?
Speaker 2:I think I want to be cuffed, multiple cuffs okay, so, and I know you do, and I know that you had an experience oh my god, I didn't even know that it was happening. And then until I showed up and I'm like, oh, I guess this is happening do you mind sharing?
Speaker 2:the story about how you thought that someone invited you over to like kind of have like a date and it was not what you expected oh yeah, what the fuck um so I was bartending, since I've been you know, working on bringing more to the table as the real estate money is, come you know, tied up in the closing dates right, you just started yeah, and then even like the commercial, like it's kind of crazy that they take like 60 to 120 days to get paid yeah, he's like oh, I got this gig, I got that gig, and I'm like where's the money?
Speaker 1:yeah, and it's like it takes so long for it to come through. So you've just been like, really, yeah, tied up it is.
Speaker 2:It is a hard. It is a hard industry. But then you're also kind of like you do it because you love it, but make a long story short started doing like little bartending gigs here and there to be able to contribute to our business and even just like daily life. I love it. I get invited to do it at somebody's house party, go to the house party, and then I get hit up by somebody that I've been kind of hanging out with We'll say seeing casually, and they're like hey, I just reached out to the host of this one party. They said that you can join me as a plus one and I'm like what?
Speaker 1:That sounds like a date.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like as a plus one, that's a date. But when somebody says you could come as my plus one, that's like a wedding or an event.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's like serious that's like oh, they really like me, right, that's what I would think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like it was so weird so I was just like, oh well, that seems like a good time. Like I looked at it after the fact and it seemed like it was kind of a little bit like clothing optional.
Speaker 1:I've never been invited to a party like that before, have you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is the first time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you said you kind of saw the invite like in the car.
Speaker 2:He picked you up in the car he picked, picked you up, yeah, in the car, and then you saw it and, like you, just had no idea I had no fucking clue. And so then I'm like, oh, okay, so you get approved, or you got it like you were allowed to bring a plus one like what the fuck?
Speaker 2:but then I'm like okay, I'll take it as a compliment. But then I get there and it was like check-in fog everywhere. I mean it was a beautiful haunted house, like somebody really decked their place out, okay, and then they had bags at the front door. Like you know, those like like reusable, oh my god, were there condoms in the bags?
Speaker 2:no, it was a fucking bag that you put all your, your clothes. Yes, shut up. So you have an individual bag and you literally put it in this, like it's like a reusable, like tweed, like almost like a trader joe's reusable shopping bag and like you put your name on it, you label it. Somebody takes it to like the closet, like a coat, like a coat check.
Speaker 1:Oh, my god, my God, and you did it.
Speaker 2:I did.
Speaker 1:It's like okay we're here now.
Speaker 2:I was freaking the fuck out, but then I was also like you know what, you know, why not Like? This is the first year of like being completely sober. Why not just like you know, excite myself and go with the flow? Like I flow like, yeah, I would have probably not been able to single sober years ago. Single sober single, sober and sexy right, let's keep it sexy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's keep it single, sexy and sober. But I probably would not have been able to do that like two years ago, because I'd be like I need a shot of tequila right to just feel like as much as people think that I'm an outburst bottle, right like I mean hey, as much as people think that we're just wild children. Yeah, but we to be in that situation?
Speaker 1:you know what that takes courage, okay.
Speaker 2:I was like yeah, I guess we're just rolling with it and like, um, the friend that I was with was like, obviously, like I think they were like hitting their vape pen, you know, just to like like loosen up. And oh my God, it was so fucking fun Like it was just like a wild time and like it was like the fog, was there the right lighting? Like you know, it was interesting. I've never been to something like that and of all places here in this town, oh my God, so much fun.
Speaker 1:It's like something from a movie. Honestly, I know it felt like a mystical forest in a haunted house too. Okay, so we got a text. Yes, I had to look up who Jelly.
Speaker 2:Bean Sweets was, and what a mukbang is. What the fuck. Jelly Bean Sweets and what mukbang.
Speaker 1:A mukbang, so let's start eating while we talk about this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to have a little Diet Coke. Yes, tastes just like it normally does.
Speaker 1:Yep, okay here, do you mind getting that?
Speaker 2:stuff out, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:So a mukbang is a video where someone eats a large amount of food. It's typically high in fat amount of food. It's typically like high in fat sugar and it's like processed and um. They interact with the audience while they eat. So it comes. It's like a korean word, so makja means let's eat. I'm probably not saying that right, and Bang Song is a broadcast, so you eat and you broadcast. It's gaining popularity. Do you like watching people eat?
Speaker 2:Oh, I love it. Do you notice they only had one chicken sandwich.
Speaker 1:They seriously didn't give us all of it.
Speaker 2:They didn't.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm pissed.
Speaker 2:You eat, that you down the fries, then I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, this one's definitely mine though.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, you eat it. Okay, you down the fries, then I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, Don't worry, look, oh, here At least you have chicken tenders Wait, maybe I didn't Well wait. Grab me the ranch, okay, so basically.
Speaker 2:I definitely ordered it right. They fucked it up.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So basically, when I was looking this up, people just like before, I saw it in the bag. Oh, here it is.
Speaker 2:They kind of delouse their food in the sauces and stuff Spicy buffalo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so basically we're just going to eat and talk. Do you think this is kind of harmful to the watchers and the creators Because it could promote binge eating? What do you think I got to lean forward?
Speaker 2:I think it's kind of like more of a just kind of like a fetish, you think.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna put this here because I just don't want to like drizzle stuff everywhere, okay. So I've seen people do it and they like kind of like make it really messy, like this and then they just like oh, I have. Okay, it's a thing yeah it's like all over your face it's definitely fetishy.
Speaker 2:That's hot. You definitely look like you're enjoying that girl it's actually really good oh wow, I know, and you like, we like a little bit ago, and you were like I don't mind if it's cold, mm-hmm, mm, you losing any of that, but yeah, so this is like a new trend. It's called McBus.
Speaker 1:Muck bang, muck bang, mm, mm, mc bus mug bang mug bang.
Speaker 2:I just feel like it might be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not, not ideal right I feel like it is like probably not ideal do you think that? Okay. Some people say that, like when they're eating alone, they watch these videos and it makes them feel less lonely.
Speaker 2:Mmm.
Speaker 1:But um. That's kind of true I think it is like a lot of the times it is like binge eating, mmm, and I don't think it.
Speaker 2:Do you want some fries is healthy per se.
Speaker 1:I guess it's a mukbang. I should have a fried egg. Ready. I'm just going to like.
Speaker 2:Dip it in Dip it in baby.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, what do you think? I mean, I don't typically eat fast food.
Speaker 2:Neither do I. It's definitely like an easy mukbang thing. I could see why eat fast food, but um Neither do I, but it's definitely like an easy mukbang thing. I could see why people do it.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, actually I feel like I know too much about it that I don't mind eating it like randomly yeah, just not regularly. But like can you imagine like I felt like really shitty one time when I was eating like a lot of fast food in college and then I remember like I went through like a couple months after that, just clean, clean, clean and I was just like. This feels so much better, like you could tell a difference yeah but's like we sound cliche saying that.
Speaker 1:Well, it's pretty good.
Speaker 2:It's just like, even though the costs have gone up, it's still more affordable than buying some of these groceries.
Speaker 1:I know it's like you want to have a nice dinner at home, but it's actually cheaper to just Buy fast food. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:But I don't know, this may be just one of the craziest shit we've done this mock bank stuff.
Speaker 2:Which other people would say no, you guys have done, crazier shit.
Speaker 1:But, I don't even know what I'm doing right now.
Speaker 2:Like, I just want to know where the name comes from.
Speaker 1:I said it, it's a Korean thing.
Speaker 2:That's what you said.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Sorry.
Speaker 1:No, you're good.
Speaker 2:McBang in it.
Speaker 1:Okay, guys, I hope you liked us hurting ourselves with this fast food.
Speaker 2:Yes, I wasn't sure if it was too much.
Speaker 1:I kind of have a tummy ache now. It was a dare, so I'm never going to pass up a dare. Well, I don't know, maybe I shouldn't say that out loud, I know, because then they're going to pass up a dare. Well, I don't know, Maybe I shouldn't say that out loud.
Speaker 2:I know, because then they're going to dare you on anything.
Speaker 1:I know I'm a little scared now, but anyways, thank you for listening to. Mocktails Are Messy. This is Kelly Msgorski, and.
Speaker 2:Ryan Frankofsky. We love you guys, love you Mwah.
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